Juniors do not hold derivative. Rather they have subordinated the percentage of the property they have to the production loan. The production loan has a embedded short of gold derivative. Therefore the junior has their percentage of the derivative loss equal to their percentage of the property. To make it simple call your junior and ask the following question. Does the major you are dealing with have a recourse or non recourse loan for development. If they answer non recourse then your junior has a derviative risk even if they are so stupid as not to know it. RY, Jim from a copy of an email to a poster at: http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=221123#221123